Legislature(2013 - 2014)CAPITOL 106

04/15/2014 08:00 AM House STATE AFFAIRS


Download Mp3. <- Right click and save file as

* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 206 VEHICLE REGIS/LICENSING/ACCIDENT REPORTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ HB 356 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON WELLNESS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 356(STA) Out of Committee
+ SJR 26 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  SJR 26-PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:08:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced that the  final order of business was SENATE                                                               
JOINT RESOLUTION NO.  26, Recognizing June 14, 2014,  as the 60th                                                               
anniversary of the  first recital of the United  States Pledge of                                                               
Allegiance with the words "under God."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:08:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RYNNIEVA  MOSS,   Staff,  Senator  John  Coghill,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  presented  SJR 26  on  behalf  of Senator  Coghill,                                                               
prime sponsor.  She said earlier  in 2014, 30 other states passed                                                               
resolutions  that   recognized  February   10  as   the  sixtieth                                                               
anniversary of  the introduction  of House Joint  Resolution 243,                                                               
which added  the words "under  God" to the Pledge  of Allegiance.                                                               
Under  SJR 26,  Alaska  would  recognize June  14,  2014, as  the                                                               
sixtieth  anniversary  of the  first  recital  of the  Pledge  of                                                               
Allegiance.   She noted that  June 14 is  Flag Day in  the United                                                               
States.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOSS relayed  that  the original  Pledge  of Allegiance  was                                                               
written in  1892 by  Francis Bellamy, a  minister, whom  she said                                                               
"used the pledge as a symbol  to all nations to pledge allegiance                                                               
to their flags  as individual countries."  She said  by 1923, the                                                               
U.S. had been  through World War I, and "they  wanted to make the                                                               
pledge more near  and dear to Americans," so  the American Legion                                                               
and the  Daughters of the  American Revolution had the  Pledge of                                                               
Allegiance changed to include "one nation."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOSS stated  that in  1954, President  Dwight D.  Eisenhower                                                               
attended  a church  where he  heard Reverend  George M.  Docherty                                                               
give  a  sermon  about  the pledge,  during  which  the  reverend                                                               
pointed to Lincoln's  repeated use of the phrase  "under God," in                                                               
the  Gettysburg   Address.    She  said   Reverend  Docherty  was                                                               
"pressing to see  what was missing in this country  during a time                                                               
when  ...  8  million  people   had  already  been  killed  under                                                               
Communism."   She  referred to  the penultimate  sentence of  the                                                               
sermon, which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          In this land, there is "neither Jew nor Greek,                                                                        
     neither bond  nor free, neither  male nor  female", for                                                                  
     we are one nation indivisible  under God, and humbly as                                                                  
     God has given us the  light we seek liberty and justice                                                                    
     for all.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS  said the sermon  inspired President Eisenhower  to meet                                                               
with  Senator Homer  S. Ferguson  and  Representative Charles  G.                                                               
Oakman,  who  introduced resolutions  to  the  Senate and  House,                                                               
respectively,  proposing to  add  "under God"  to  the Pledge  of                                                               
Allegiance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS indicated  that the history of the  Pledge of Allegiance                                                               
does not  give "the  human touch  to reciting  the pledge."   She                                                               
continued as follows:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Recognizing the  history of the pledge  reminds us that                                                                    
     it has a  deep, independent meaning for  each and every                                                                    
     one  of us.   It's  not a  mundane verse  that we  have                                                                    
     memorized  because  we've  recited   it  every  day  in                                                                    
     school.  It  reminds us that we live in  a country that                                                                    
     doesn't persecute  us, because  we pledged  to preserve                                                                    
     the  God-given,   inherent  rights  this   country  was                                                                    
     founded in.  It reminds us  that we are a government of                                                                    
     50  individual states  who are  united as  a nation  of                                                                    
     free people.  It reminds  us that this flag, Old Glory,                                                                    
     has [been] carried through  battlefields, and blood has                                                                    
     been shed  by millions to  protect the freedom  that we                                                                    
     have to speak  our minds and disagree  with each other,                                                                    
     without the threat of retaliation.   It reminds us that                                                                    
     people from all  over the world come to  our country at                                                                    
     a risk to live the American dream.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     When I stand in the  gallery at the Senate Chambers and                                                                    
     recite the  Pledge of Allegiance,  with a room  full of                                                                    
     citizens  and the  Senators, what  I hear  is group  of                                                                    
     Americans, united,  ... indivisible in  preserving this                                                                    
     Republic  and  the  God-given  rights  our  Forefathers                                                                    
     strived  to  preserve.   This  resolution  is  yet  one                                                                    
     reminder that  we are Americans  united as  one nation,                                                                    
     under God.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS  said the  words, "under  God," were  added on  June 14,                                                               
1954, during  the Cold War,  as a  way to distinguish  the United                                                               
States from communism.  On  that day, President Eisenhower signed                                                               
the change  into law  and declared, "From  this day  forward, the                                                               
millions of  our school  children will  daily proclaim,  in every                                                               
city  and  town,  every  village  and  rural  school  house,  the                                                               
dedication of  our nation  and our  people to  the Almighty.   To                                                               
anyone who truly  loves America, nothing could  be more inspiring                                                               
than  to  contemplate this  rededication  of  our youth  on  each                                                               
school morning to our country's true meaning."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS  imparted that as a  teenager in the 1960s,  she heard a                                                               
comment made by  comedian Red Skelton, regarding  the addition of                                                               
the words "under  God" to the Pledge of Allegiance.   [The words,                                                               
as follows, are from the  committee handout, original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Since I was a small boy,  two states have been added to                                                                    
     our  country  and two  words  have  been added  to  the                                                                    
     Pledge of  Allegiance; "under God".   Wouldn't it  be a                                                                    
     pity  if  someone   said  that  is  a   prayer  and  be                                                                    
     eliminated from school.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS  said currently  there is a  court case  challenging the                                                               
use of  "under God"  as a  prayer.  She  said the  court decision                                                               
will be  made "any  day."   She said  the proposed  resolution is                                                               
being used by states all  across the country "to preserve history                                                               
so that courts can't change history."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:15:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  stated  that  the   Pledge  of  Allegiance  and  the                                                               
invocation [given  on the  House floor]  are the  most comforting                                                               
parts of his day.  He talked  about being reminded of "why we are                                                               
here."  He opined, "The whole  process is all messed up, but it's                                                               
the best  in the  world; the  best we'll ever  have."   He stated                                                               
support  for SJR  26.   He  mention the  former  way of  pledging                                                               
allegiance by  holding one hand  up and forward, followed  by the                                                               
current method  of holding the  hand over the heart  [depicted in                                                               
the committee packet].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:17:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON expressed  thanks for  the booklet  that                                                               
includes  all the  information of  the committee  packet, and  he                                                               
questioned whether it could be  made available to those who would                                                               
like a  copy.   He indicated  that some of  the history  might be                                                               
found  on  line  under  procon.org.    He  mentioned  the  recent                                                               
lawsuits  against   including  "under  God"  in   the  Pledge  of                                                               
Allegiance.  He  said he appreciated remarks  by President Ronald                                                               
Reagan  encouraging every  Native born  United States  citizen to                                                               
attend an immigration  ceremony or speak to  those immigrants who                                                               
have become  a citizen  by choice, because  doing so  would renew                                                               
the country's  desire to  preserve peace  for another  200 years.                                                               
Representative  Isaacson  said  he  has had  the  opportunity  to                                                               
witness the moment when people  have abandoned one citizenship to                                                               
become a citizen of the U.S.  He  said doing so may seem crazy to                                                               
most, but some  are seeking a better  life and see the  U.S. as a                                                               
better place.   He said it has helped him  question why he should                                                               
ever  become complacent  about his  own citizenship.   He  opined                                                               
that  the   proposed  legislation   helps  people   remember  the                                                               
importance of the Pledge of  Allegiance as a means of remembering                                                               
those who have given their lives to protect the U.S.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:20:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN acknowledged Representative  Isaacson's statement.  He                                                               
said his  second child married  a woman  from China, and  it took                                                               
her  five years  to  get  her citizenship,  and  he  said he  was                                                               
honored  to be  present  at her  citizenship  ceremony, which  he                                                               
described as "uplifting."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:21:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  said yesterday  he gave the  invocation on                                                               
the  House floor.   He  expressed  his appreciation  to the  bill                                                               
sponsor for bringing SJR 26 forward.   He stated that the concept                                                               
of "under  God" goes back  to the  country's beginning.   He said                                                               
the Declaration  of Independence  refers to people  being created                                                               
equal,  a  creator endowing  us  with  individual rights,  and  a                                                               
supreme  judge  of  the  world.   He  said  the  signers  of  the                                                               
Declaration of Independence were  at risk for becoming criminals,                                                               
but firmly  relied on  divine providence.   He explained  that he                                                               
wanted the  record to reflect that  reference to God was  part of                                                               
the foundation of the U.S. and "is consistent throughout."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:22:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  directed attention to  a "whereas" clause on  page 2,                                                               
lines 15-16, which read as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          WHEREAS it is the policy of the legislature to                                                                      
     recognize  and honor  important  dates that  strengthen                                                                    
     the  ties  of history  and  bind  us to  our  Christian                                                                    
     heritage;                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN said  he would  like  to see  "Christian" changed  to                                                               
"Judeo-Christian",  because  the  Bible  is split  into  the  Old                                                               
Testament,  which is  Jewish,  and the  New  Testament, which  is                                                               
Christian.   He asked if the  prime sponsor would object  to that                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:23:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS offered  her understanding that the  prime sponsor would                                                               
strongly  oppose such  an amendment,  because  he feels  strongly                                                               
that   the  United   States  was   established  under   Christian                                                               
principles and, thus, the language should reflect that.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN asked for comments from the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:24:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  stated that  he would  like to  "honor the                                                               
perspective of the sponsor."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:24:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON said  he  appreciates  the comment  from                                                               
Chair Lynn about including Judaism.  He continued as follows:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Definitely,  the heritage  of  Christianity flows  from                                                                    
     the ...  similar belief of  the one true  God, almighty                                                                    
     God, creator  of heaven and  earth, which  was affirmed                                                                    
     in Jewish tradition.  But  it was even before the Jews,                                                                    
     Adam had  that personal relationship, so  you could say                                                                    
     it's  a  biblical  faith,   of  which  Christianity  is                                                                    
     definitely the proud banner carrier of that ... faith.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  opined that  honoring the wishes  of the                                                               
prime  sponsor would  still incorporate  the  rich heritage  that                                                               
Chair Lynn mentioned.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:25:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES  said, "To me,  Judeo-Christian encompasses                                                               
Christian, as well."  She asked  if there had been a conversation                                                               
with the prime sponsor, in which  he had specifically said he did                                                               
not want to use the term.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MOSS answered  that there  had been  several discussions  to                                                               
broadening the language,  even to include Muslim.   She said, "He                                                               
feels  very strongly  that ...  he doesn't  want this  to be  the                                                               
slippery slope; he wants it to be a Christian heritage."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:26:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  stated  that  the  government,  with  its                                                               
checks  and balances  reflects the  Christian heritage  more than                                                               
Judaism.  He referred to a  famous painting of the signers of the                                                               
Declaration of Independence, and said,  "No doubt, it was a group                                                               
of  Christian  folks  that  were  there."   He  stated  that  the                                                               
influence of  Christianity on the government  system is "profound                                                               
and  deep."   He  reiterated  that he  concurs  with keeping  the                                                               
language in the proposed joint resolution as is.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:27:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  responded, "Of  course, we're  not talking  about the                                                               
people who landed here; we're talking about the heritage."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:27:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  stated that  while she can  appreciate the                                                               
conversation, her concern is that  "we'll get into something that                                                               
is not what the bill sponsor  really wanted to celebrate in these                                                               
60 years."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:28:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  restated  his  preference for  the  use  of  "Judeo-                                                               
Christian," but acknowledged that  he was outnumbered; therefore,                                                               
he said would not offer an amendment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOSS  said she would  pass that  information on to  the prime                                                               
sponsor.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:28:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  moved to  report SJR  26 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  SJR 26 was reported out of the                                                               
House State Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
01 SJR 26 Resolution.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SJR 26
02 SJR 26 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SJR 26
03 SJR 26 - Supporting Document.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SJR 26
04 SJR 26 - Fiscal Note.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SJR 26
01 HB0356A.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
02 HB356 sponsor statement.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
03 HB356 Background Materials.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
04 HB356 Mayo Clinic vitamin D for health a global perspective.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
05 HB356 Cost Savings per year with vitamin D.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
06 HB356 Support KPBSD.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
07 HB356-DOA-DRB-03-14-14.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
HB 356
01 SB 206 STA CS Version C.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SB 206
02 SB 206 Sponsor Statement.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SB 206
03 CS SB 206 Sectional.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SB 206
04 CS SB 206 explanation of amendments.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SB 206
05 Fiscal Note CSSB206.pdf HSTA 4/15/2014 8:00:00 AM
SB 206